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The Problem with OOO

Overall, I am satisfied with how this show ended, as well as how it began and continued to deliver solidly for most of the run. The 999th and 1000th episodes are the weakest set due to their irrelevance to the narrative and because they just bothered me for the most part. I don’t think they served either purpose (being OOO episodes and celebrating Kamen Rider) well and that is enough for me to eigh them against the merrits of the show. Another point of contention for me is the absolutely shabbey treatment of Hina. She and most of the characters, as well as Kobayashi, treat Izumi Hina as a door mat and set dressing. She is an object more than a person and her personhood is undermined by being anchored to Shingo which puts her in a vulnerable position more than it gives her any strength of will and courage. She shone a few times, but never really stepped up and stood on her own, which is a missed opportunity.

 Time and consideration that could have gone towards building up Hina as a strong person, or even letting Shingo take up the mantle of Medal caddy and fully take responsibility for what his body had done, a desire he had expressed were sacrificed on the alter of a petty god whose devotees can often be found with the mantra of “bors before hos” on their lips.

 About what am I complaining? The vaunted and lauded issue that keeps me from loving this show. Ankh.

 Ankh’s redemption is not earned. Ankh’s disdain for the life of all but himself devalues his burgeoning humanity and wholeness. Humanity can be revoked, disavowed and cast off by one’s words and deeds.

Wether it be LWOP or death, I believe, Ankh deserves the severest of punishments just like his fellow Greeed. In my opinion one who holds and acts upon so much malicous intent towards humanity does not deserve to be a part of that society.

 Why do you love Ankh?

Why forgive him?

 Why accept his faults, sins and crimes without requiring he act to change his ways and make amends?

Most fans and the show seem to give Ankh a free pass, and that is something I can not do.

Below is a selection of notes from the latest episode of the Cure for the Common rider Show,  in which we conclude our discussion and analysis of Kamen Rider OOO.

- Ankh is an awful person

- Why does Hina put up with Ankh’s crap?

JOSE said: Ankh may not have his personality, but he has Shingo’s face - that’s enough to sway Hina over. It’s effectively emotional abuse and trauma.

- I like Shingo a lot! I’m glad Ankh is gone at this point. It should be interesting to see how this plays out. I read his little graces: given Hina the Taka Core and hiding the other Cores as less a showing of concern for the other and more self-preservation and instinct. He wasn’t going to let go of Hina’s hand to slap her, only to let himself be absorbed more easily and I’m sure if he were to die, he would want to know that Eiji still had the capability to at least not let the other Greeed win.

 - Seeing Ankh back was almost cool and I like how he is still a selfish jerk, true to his nature and my continued assertions.

 - Good on Eiji for his righteous anger. I wanted him to kill Ankh in the first few minutes of this episode. He has no right to behave how he does. Taking over Shingo is wrong, if he is nearly complete he should just get some more Cells and form a body like the other Greed. This confrontation has been coming for a long time, well I guess it happened in 13 or so in the river, but I’m glad to see Eiji standing up to him again.

 - Why is Hina surprised by Ankh attacking Eiji?

 -Ankh is the only one worthy of existence then? Jerk!

-Ankh seems to want to surpass Greedhood and gain human senses which he gained

-Ankh’s desire for a real life and the full range of human sensory input is not noble at all, it is completely selfish and the lengths to which he is willing to go are ludicrous as Kobayashi has Eiji point out. I can see some softening in Ankh, but his actions and motivations both matter; the former holding greater weight.

 -Ankh’s association with Shingo seems to have somehow humanized him. He spoke of being satisfied, and I think that perhaps content would be a better word for it. The change in him is rushed and I don’t think I like that they went this direction.

 -Ankh is the monster that wanted to become a man for his own selfish desire. Eiji is the man who almost becomes a monster to save others.

tl;dr

I loved most of the characters and the story overall, but hated Ankh and the show was too soft on the HUGE EVIL jerk.

If you like him, why do you? I don’t get it.

I loved Ankh and watched all of OOO’s just to see him. The show has Ankh go from a selfish “child” to a self-sacrificing person, who enjoyed life but was ok with death and never experiencing anything again as long as Hina and Eiji were safe. The change wasn’t rushed, there’s little stuff to show that Ankh does care about Hina and Eiji, even if Ankh didn’t want to admit it to himself. Ankh’s biggest problems were being treated as an object and learning to trust people. Almost everyone, including Eiji at times, didn’t even consider things like Ankh needing cell medals to survive, and it is somewhat implied that Ankh did trust the original OOO’s King before he was betrayed. On a side note, Ankh never created a Yummy in the show, because he saw what horrible things can happen to people (well, a young human girl, 800 years ago)

I thought Ankh told Eiji in the first few episodes that he tried to and was unable to spawn a Yummy.

His change seemed rushed to me, but I thought Anakin’s fall was well timed in Revenge of the Sith, so maybe that is a matey of taste?

What were some of the subtle signs of Ankh’s change and how early did it start?

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I can honestly say this: Mitsuzane Kureshima is basically Masato Kusaka done right. Even though he’s friends with the main Rider, the audience knows how manipulative and dark he really is.

OKAY SIT DOWN LISTEN UP I AM GOING TO GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT HOW WRONG THIS IS AND HOW I LAUGHED MYSELF ANGRY OVER THIS SHIT.
This post is basically “hey look in a contest of manipulative douchebags, Mitsuzane is the manipulative douchebag that I don’t mind!” CONGRATULATIONS YOU’RE AN EVEN BIGGER BLIGHT ON THE FRANCHISE THAN THE PREVIOUS BLIGHT!
Are you even serious?
You can’t “do right” when creating a manipulative douchebag, so don’t even try.
Everyone for the most part trusted Kusaka, from Mari to Keitaro and even to an extent, Kiba Yuuji. Who didn’t trust Kusaka? Takumi. Why? Because Takumi didn’t trust anyone and had a very hard time establishing relationships that weren’t being tested or strained.  Takumi had some severe issues with dealing with people that kept him distant and aloof from everyone, to the point that they were willing to take Kusaka’s words over Takumi’s in any situation - to the point that Takumi got kicked out and driven away.
You think Mitsuzane’s capable of having that happen to Kouta?  You think Mitsuzane is capable of convincing Kaito to try and kill Kouta?  Sure he can talk his brother into attacking them to stop them, but not outright kill them. Kusaka made it happen.  Kusaka had someone who was starting to trust Takumi, starting to believe in Takumi, actively turn their back and try to kill him.  He had him unable to stay in their home, unable to face anyone.  Mitsuzane, at worst, has made it so Kouta and Kaito still got the information they wanted but through different means entirely.  Well done.
Mitsuzane is a sixteen year old who has basically had everything he’s wanted fall into his lap at this point in time.
A driver, so he can fight and impress Mai protect the Team? Sid gave it to him.  Say all you want he played Sid for a fool and got it that way, but Sid didn’t have to do jack shit. He could have laughed his ass off at Mitsuzane’s “it’s good to have me as a friend” threat and walked away, leaving the kid high and dry.  You think Mitsuzane could have gone to Takatora and complained that he didn’t get a belt from Sid?  Considering he was doing his best to keep his “lives” separate that’s pretty unlikely.  Sid also could have at any time told Takatora what was going on.  He had the papers, Takatora didn’t look.  He could have insisted, and Mitsuzane’s whole deal would be done then and there.  Instead Sid played along, getting what he wanted out of it which was a game with both siblings as players.
So how did Kusaka go “wrong” ? In terms of manipulative and dark, how is Mitsuzane better?  
Is it because Mitsuzane is able to keep up a friendly facade?  Kusaka was able to do that, and more.  He won back his childhood friend, slowly pulled her away from someone she was developing a stronger relationship with.  He was able to convince Yuuji, who was developing a rather strong camaraderie with Takumi, that Takumi had done a major wrong and needed to be punished for it.  Yuuji believed him over Takumi (through granted Takumi didn’t even try to defend himself)
Is it because Mitsuzane is working with the enemy while not telling his “friend” anything?  Kusaka did that.  Kusaka went to Smart Brain, worked with Smart Brain.  No one knew, no one cared. He was being played just as much as Mitsuzane is being played.
Is it because Mitsuzane is in love with Mai/deeply treasures Mai and is willing to do anything for her, no matter the stakes?   Kusaka’s obsession with Mari was what drove him to do nearly two-thirds of everything in the series proper.  She was his everything and Takumi was in the way.  It didn’t matter what happened so long as Mari was okay.
Kusaka lied to Mari about certain events that drastically changed her life, in order to “protect her from the hard truth”. Kusaka slowly drove away people from Mari that she could depend on other than him.  He promised her that he’d help them out, care for them, but the wedge was there.
Is it Mitsuzane’s frustration/manipulation with Kouta? Mitsuzane’s idea of dealing with Kouta when he “won’t listen/do as he says” is complain about it to his brother and the Yggdrasil goon squad and see if one of them do something about it.  Kusaka outright decided Takumi needed to die and took steps to ensure it happened.  Mitsuzane doesn’t want Kouta to die. Kusaka sure as hell did for Takumi.
So how is Mitsuzane “Kusaka done right” ? Is it because he’s young and attractive?  Would his behavior be acceptable if he was older and not as good looking?  Are we saying he can do this/it’s okay because he’s young and “doesn’t know better?”  That’s not anything more than making excuses for him.
There is no “right” when making a character who willing lies to the faces of his “friends” for their “own protection” when in reality everything is self-serving.  Mitsuzane stopped caring about Mai and Kouta as people and instead is looking at them as ideas or possessions. 
Kusaka did that too.  He did that to Mari, to Keitaro, to Yuuji, to Takumi.  He did it to anyone and everyone he came across and he didn’t care. He killed innocent people all for the sake of him thinking they were wrong and he was right; he killed innocent people because he could and no one was willing or able to tell him to stop (or actively stop him).
Let’s not forget that Mitsuzane has Takatora.  Sure Takatora is (currently) being played like a fiddle by anyone and everyone, but he has his brother’s back and will defend him no matter what.  Kusaka had no one to defend his actions to others (except Mari, whom he held in his hand like a toy) and he didn’t care.  He didn’t need anyone to validate him.
"Mitsuzane is Kusaka done right?"
Mitsuzane is the character that the fandom wishes could be even a third what Kusaka was, if only so we’d have a delightful bastard that is a joy to hate again.

ohshitribbit:

I can honestly say this: Mitsuzane Kureshima is basically Masato Kusaka done right. Even though he’s friends with the main Rider, the audience knows how manipulative and dark he really is.

OKAY SIT DOWN LISTEN UP I AM GOING TO GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT HOW WRONG THIS IS AND HOW I LAUGHED MYSELF ANGRY OVER THIS SHIT.

This post is basically “hey look in a contest of manipulative douchebags, Mitsuzane is the manipulative douchebag that I don’t mind!” CONGRATULATIONS YOU’RE AN EVEN BIGGER BLIGHT ON THE FRANCHISE THAN THE PREVIOUS BLIGHT!

Are you even serious?

You can’t “do right” when creating a manipulative douchebag, so don’t even try.

Everyone for the most part trusted Kusaka, from Mari to Keitaro and even to an extent, Kiba Yuuji. Who didn’t trust Kusaka? Takumi. Why? Because Takumi didn’t trust anyone and had a very hard time establishing relationships that weren’t being tested or strained.  Takumi had some severe issues with dealing with people that kept him distant and aloof from everyone, to the point that they were willing to take Kusaka’s words over Takumi’s in any situation - to the point that Takumi got kicked out and driven away.

You think Mitsuzane’s capable of having that happen to Kouta?  You think Mitsuzane is capable of convincing Kaito to try and kill Kouta?  Sure he can talk his brother into attacking them to stop them, but not outright kill them. Kusaka made it happen.  Kusaka had someone who was starting to trust Takumi, starting to believe in Takumi, actively turn their back and try to kill him.  He had him unable to stay in their home, unable to face anyone.  Mitsuzane, at worst, has made it so Kouta and Kaito still got the information they wanted but through different means entirely.  Well done.

Mitsuzane is a sixteen year old who has basically had everything he’s wanted fall into his lap at this point in time.

A driver, so he can fight and impress Mai protect the Team? Sid gave it to him.  Say all you want he played Sid for a fool and got it that way, but Sid didn’t have to do jack shit. He could have laughed his ass off at Mitsuzane’s “it’s good to have me as a friend” threat and walked away, leaving the kid high and dry.  You think Mitsuzane could have gone to Takatora and complained that he didn’t get a belt from Sid?  Considering he was doing his best to keep his “lives” separate that’s pretty unlikely.  Sid also could have at any time told Takatora what was going on.  He had the papers, Takatora didn’t look.  He could have insisted, and Mitsuzane’s whole deal would be done then and there.  Instead Sid played along, getting what he wanted out of it which was a game with both siblings as players.

So how did Kusaka go “wrong” ? In terms of manipulative and dark, how is Mitsuzane better?  

Is it because Mitsuzane is able to keep up a friendly facade?  Kusaka was able to do that, and more.  He won back his childhood friend, slowly pulled her away from someone she was developing a stronger relationship with.  He was able to convince Yuuji, who was developing a rather strong camaraderie with Takumi, that Takumi had done a major wrong and needed to be punished for it.  Yuuji believed him over Takumi (through granted Takumi didn’t even try to defend himself)

Is it because Mitsuzane is working with the enemy while not telling his “friend” anything?  Kusaka did that.  Kusaka went to Smart Brain, worked with Smart Brain.  No one knew, no one cared. He was being played just as much as Mitsuzane is being played.

Is it because Mitsuzane is in love with Mai/deeply treasures Mai and is willing to do anything for her, no matter the stakes?   Kusaka’s obsession with Mari was what drove him to do nearly two-thirds of everything in the series proper.  She was his everything and Takumi was in the way.  It didn’t matter what happened so long as Mari was okay.

Kusaka lied to Mari about certain events that drastically changed her life, in order to “protect her from the hard truth”. Kusaka slowly drove away people from Mari that she could depend on other than him.  He promised her that he’d help them out, care for them, but the wedge was there.

Is it Mitsuzane’s frustration/manipulation with Kouta? Mitsuzane’s idea of dealing with Kouta when he “won’t listen/do as he says” is complain about it to his brother and the Yggdrasil goon squad and see if one of them do something about it.  Kusaka outright decided Takumi needed to die and took steps to ensure it happened.  Mitsuzane doesn’t want Kouta to die. Kusaka sure as hell did for Takumi.

So how is Mitsuzane “Kusaka done right” ? Is it because he’s young and attractive?  Would his behavior be acceptable if he was older and not as good looking?  Are we saying he can do this/it’s okay because he’s young and “doesn’t know better?”  That’s not anything more than making excuses for him.

There is no “right” when making a character who willing lies to the faces of his “friends” for their “own protection” when in reality everything is self-serving.  Mitsuzane stopped caring about Mai and Kouta as people and instead is looking at them as ideas or possessions. 

Kusaka did that too.  He did that to Mari, to Keitaro, to Yuuji, to Takumi.  He did it to anyone and everyone he came across and he didn’t care. He killed innocent people all for the sake of him thinking they were wrong and he was right; he killed innocent people because he could and no one was willing or able to tell him to stop (or actively stop him).

Let’s not forget that Mitsuzane has Takatora.  Sure Takatora is (currently) being played like a fiddle by anyone and everyone, but he has his brother’s back and will defend him no matter what.  Kusaka had no one to defend his actions to others (except Mari, whom he held in his hand like a toy) and he didn’t care.  He didn’t need anyone to validate him.

"Mitsuzane is Kusaka done right?"

Mitsuzane is the character that the fandom wishes could be even a third what Kusaka was, if only so we’d have a delightful bastard that is a joy to hate again.

(via greeedybastard)

The Problem with OOO

Overall, I am satisfied with how this show ended, as well as how it began and continued to deliver solidly for most of the run. The 999th and 1000th episodes are the weakest set due to their irrelevance to the narrative and because they just bothered me for the most part. I don’t think they served either purpose (being OOO episodes and celebrating Kamen Rider) well and that is enough for me to eigh them against the merrits of the show. Another point of contention for me is the absolutely shabbey treatment of Hina. She and most of the characters, as well as Kobayashi, treat Izumi Hina as a door mat and set dressing. She is an object more than a person and her personhood is undermined by being anchored to Shingo which puts her in a vulnerable position more than it gives her any strength of will and courage. She shone a few times, but never really stepped up and stood on her own, which is a missed opportunity.

 Time and consideration that could have gone towards building up Hina as a strong person, or even letting Shingo take up the mantle of Medal caddy and fully take responsibility for what his body had done, a desire he had expressed were sacrificed on the alter of a petty god whose devotees can often be found with the mantra of “bors before hos” on their lips.

 About what am I complaining? The vaunted and lauded issue that keeps me from loving this show. Ankh.

 Ankh’s redemption is not earned. Ankh’s disdain for the life of all but himself devalues his burgeoning humanity and wholeness. Humanity can be revoked, disavowed and cast off by one’s words and deeds.

Wether it be LWOP or death, I believe, Ankh deserves the severest of punishments just like his fellow Greeed. In my opinion one who holds and acts upon so much malicous intent towards humanity does not deserve to be a part of that society.

 Why do you love Ankh?

Why forgive him?

 Why accept his faults, sins and crimes without requiring he act to change his ways and make amends?

Most fans and the show seem to give Ankh a free pass, and that is something I can not do.

Below is a selection of notes from the latest episode of the Cure for the Common rider Show,  in which we conclude our discussion and analysis of Kamen Rider OOO.

- Ankh is an awful person

- Why does Hina put up with Ankh’s crap?

JOSE said: Ankh may not have his personality, but he has Shingo’s face - that’s enough to sway Hina over. It’s effectively emotional abuse and trauma.

- I like Shingo a lot! I’m glad Ankh is gone at this point. It should be interesting to see how this plays out. I read his little graces: given Hina the Taka Core and hiding the other Cores as less a showing of concern for the other and more self-preservation and instinct. He wasn’t going to let go of Hina’s hand to slap her, only to let himself be absorbed more easily and I’m sure if he were to die, he would want to know that Eiji still had the capability to at least not let the other Greeed win.

 - Seeing Ankh back was almost cool and I like how he is still a selfish jerk, true to his nature and my continued assertions.

 - Good on Eiji for his righteous anger. I wanted him to kill Ankh in the first few minutes of this episode. He has no right to behave how he does. Taking over Shingo is wrong, if he is nearly complete he should just get some more Cells and form a body like the other Greed. This confrontation has been coming for a long time, well I guess it happened in 13 or so in the river, but I’m glad to see Eiji standing up to him again.

 - Why is Hina surprised by Ankh attacking Eiji?

 -Ankh is the only one worthy of existence then? Jerk!

-Ankh seems to want to surpass Greedhood and gain human senses which he gained

-Ankh’s desire for a real life and the full range of human sensory input is not noble at all, it is completely selfish and the lengths to which he is willing to go are ludicrous as Kobayashi has Eiji point out. I can see some softening in Ankh, but his actions and motivations both matter; the former holding greater weight.

 -Ankh’s association with Shingo seems to have somehow humanized him. He spoke of being satisfied, and I think that perhaps content would be a better word for it. The change in him is rushed and I don’t think I like that they went this direction.

 -Ankh is the monster that wanted to become a man for his own selfish desire. Eiji is the man who almost becomes a monster to save others.

tl;dr

I loved most of the characters and the story overall, but hated Ankh and the show was too soft on the HUGE EVIL jerk.

If you like him, why do you? I don’t get it.

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